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Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:07:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time. How would you know where it happened?
Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again.
Make CCP nerf the cowards and the game will change.
Until then you have to live with these cowards. |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:12:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:if people want to whine and the result is a nerf to ganker's playstyle.... you think they won't take that personally and torch every freighter they see?
really?
actions have consequences. What playstyle?
Most don't play but hide in station all day.
Even afk miners play more than they do, because they're at least in space all day. |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:27:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Christina Project wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time. How would you know where it happened? Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again. that's due to -10 sec and the 15-minute criminal timer. duh. Nope.
-10 does not prevent anybody from bouncing around visibly on grids.
Which would change the public perception people have by a huge margin! Forcing gankers to be in space and actually having to do some work, would make people actually fight them and go after them.
I can tell. This works. But when people hide in station all day and are only around for half a minute, then there's nothing that can be done to fight them.
The fact that these people hide in station all day, means that that's the only or best choice they think they have, because everything else would be too hard or too dangerous.
Just look at it ... these people have less gameplay than afk miners.
The GCC does not work as excuse to hide the pod in station either, but at least it makes sense, because there's not much else to do anyway.
Except maybe bouncing around the grid for 15min to show off how blinky you are.
Get your facts straight. GCC is one thing, but being -10 is a completely different one and does not prevent anybody from being outside in a ganking ship ... ever.
It's just too hard for these chestbeating carebears to actually play the game.
I can't stress this enough: AFK Miners have more gamplay than them, because these are at least in space all day. |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:29:00 -
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Noragli wrote:The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space. Nope.
The problem is that these people hide in station so much that people rightfully have the feeling that they can't do anything about it ... because they can't.
These cowards hide, have neutral alts finding targets, undock, strike, dock up again.
The whole ganking process doesn't take even a minute.
The issue is NOT that they can do what they do, the issue is that they do it in the poorest possible way, negatively affecting the whole profession.
What CCP needs to remove is that people can play this way, because they shouldn't. Being outlaw in highsec should be dangerous.
Well ... it is ... but not for the easy-mode carebear gankers. |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:07:00 -
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Tilly Delnero wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Psh. There has been suicide ganking in Aufay long before CODE was around. Trade route to Jita and Amarr, 0.5 security. But despite this already having been done thousands of times over ten years, it's 'emergent gameplay' when CODE do it, don't ya know? Ganking freighters doesn't actually provide any emergent gameplay for anybody. Not even themselves, because sitting in station doesn't equal to playing a game at all.
Oh yes, sure, 30 sec to undock, strike, dock up again.
Wow, so much gameplay provided for everybody!
Anybody who believes they provide any meaningfull content to anybody is just too dumb to realize the propaganda and too blind to simply look at what reality shows him.
That being sad ... this is completely useless to even talk about.
The facts are laid out for everybody to see, but the propaganda machine easily deals with the stupid masses successfully.
The game is too easy, especially for these wannabe bad guys in highsec. |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:27:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:You don't know much about fleet warfare, do you?
We're talking about ganking freighters, not fleet warfare. The same applies to ganking miners too.
No idea why you're bringing this up. Suicide ganking in masses isn't "warfare" at all.
In case of the freighters, there's one guy making sure that the station has enough ships. That's not even much effort, because one can find people who produce all this stuff and even deliver it to the station easily. I tried that, leading to me having hundreds of thrashers + fitting spread across minmatar, gallente and caldari space.
Then all you need is a neutral alt seeking out targets, while the fleet sits docked in station.
Short:
Target is found. Fleet instaundocks to safespot. Fleet warps to target. Fleet ganks. Fleet warps back to station, switched to noobships, undocks, pulls CONCORD. Fleet docks up in base.
In all this time, the gankers were sitting in safety in station, probably chestbeating themselves are talking down on others who actually play the game.
The longest waits are 15min GCC which don't matter and the alt finding a target.
The ganking as mentioned above, can be done in a single minute, except maybe pulling CONCORD which adds session timer delays so maybe we push to a minute and thirty MAX.
The issue isn't that they are ganking freighters or anything, the issue is how they do it, turning people into carebears without realizing it.
Chestbeating from the safety of the station.
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Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:30:00 -
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Soylent Jade wrote:Even an empty freighter or especially jump freighter is going to be a big plus on killboards. Stop autopiloting juicy killmails in 0.5 systems. Christina Project wrote:Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again.
Make CCP nerf the cowards and the game will change.
Until then you have to live with these cowards. *cough* Faction Police *cough* Perhaps you've heard of them? Remove faction police, and we'll spend more time in space...deal? Noragli wrote: Many of the victims never saw it coming or even imagined it could happen They know better now, don't they? Yes I've heard of the faction police and for me they never really were an issue, as I was perfectly able to warp around on grid all day long, avoiding people who want to kill me all day long and easily finding targets all day long.
Or zooming around in a high speed frigate, having actual duels with long range weaponrly.
As -10. In highsec.
Ganking, fighting, insulting all of local ... all day long and in space.
You don't know better, because the carebears you're flying with don't teach you how to properly play or simply because you are one of these carebears.
The faction police is no issue at all, unless you are lazy or it's too much for you to handle.
If you don't believe it, I can happily and easily prove it to you all by myself, in person, in game. |
Christina Project
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:35:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:i think he was talking about faction police, not CONCORD
to be honest the docking pass thing sounds cool if it'd let you avoid faction police etc as an upside. but we had the chance-based smuggling ingame for a while and that was mostly got rid of for being annoying The faction police is no issue. Removing them will make it even easier as it is already.
The issue is people making it look like it's an actual issue, while it is not. Can be proven easily. Every day. Every highsec system.
It's effort to avoid them, that's all there is to it. |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:40:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:as a lowsec turkey i am offended by your disregard for my heritage anslo Oh god dude I'm sorry. I didn't know. My apologies :( Kaarous Aldurald wrote:How's that gatecamp in Huola going for you? The Russians decided to camp it again. We've been busy clearing it in the name of AMERICA! U S A U S A (i.e. you STILL know nothing about me and my guys lol) Reminds me...
I still have to fly around with you people, as I said. |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:46:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Solecist Project wrote:In my head everything's easy! I even bought a couple hundred thrashers! Good for you! I look forward to you getting a bunch of guys together and killing a few hundred billion ISK of freighters. So you not even not adress my post, you try to ridicule me in a way that works with only the stupidest of people.
What does "gathering people to shoot things" have to do with "finding industrials willing to do what they love" ?
Nothing.
So, do you have any actual experience in suicide ganking solo or in a fleet?
No answer??
Thought so. |
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Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:52:00 -
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I love this thread.
Seriously, I do. :D
It pisses me off so, so much, about how so many people have so huge misunderstandings of how to do it, the consequences, how it works, what game mechanics stand in the way of finding and killing targets, the differences between the faction police and CONCORD, ...
... DAMN!
Awesome! XD |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:54:00 -
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*sighs* |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.07.08 14:08:00 -
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Yesterday, CODE blew up what could be considered a botter.
Several times. Mackinaw ORE editions, pimped into billions, failfitted with a Shieldboost amp ... and no booster.
Several. This guy lost billions of ISK yesterday and kept undocking his ships. All fitted the same, with billions of ISK and no brain.
Even people in anti-ganking laughed about it.
Some people simply deserve it more than others. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) "What people don't realize is that there simply is no easier way to find targets ... than as -10 in highsec!"
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Posted - 2014.07.08 14:39:00 -
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Wow, if all the miners stopped working ... ... I'll order my siblings to do it.
It's like... omg economy dictates the peoples' actions! O: Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) "What people don't realize is that there simply is no easier way to find targets ... than as -10 in highsec!"
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Posted - 2014.07.08 15:15:00 -
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Cost is not a balancing factor.
Your opinion is irrelevant, as CCP creates the facts and obviously knows best, as they have all relevant data about the matter.
Cost is determined by the people as a whole, therefore any argument about cost being able to balance things is null and void.
Titans aren't cheap. Did it work as balancing factor? No.
Make it ten times as expensive to gank a miner, people will organize and build everything simply themselves.
People will start to use alts to mine minerals, investing time instead of ISK, until a satisfying flow of minerals is achieved.
Group efforts will always relativize cost.
Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) "What people don't realize is that there simply is no easier way to find targets ... than as -10 in highsec!"
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Posted - 2014.07.09 10:19:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:Lets get 100 pages of tears!
Could you think about variation... just for your sake. :/ It's getting really old and I heard the last decade call... ... she want's her line back... :\
Thanks! *sigh...*
Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Teaching highhec outlaw survival, combat and ... FASHION! :D
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Posted - 2014.07.09 10:50:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:Christina Project wrote:loyalanon wrote:Lets get 100 pages of tears!
Could you think about variation... just for your sake. :/ It's getting really old and I heard the last decade call... ... she want's her line back... :\ Thanks! *sigh...* More tears from you we will be at 100 pages within an hour keep it up! You are doing great! OH NO!! OH NOOO! THE HORROR! IT MAKES ME CRY!!! :(
Seriously though I contributed to around 10+ pages in this lighting rod and they just deleted them all from 50+ to below 40 ...
That makes me cry! D:
I guess I should read through the last twenty pages and then just confirm you anyway... xD
Will do! Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Teaching highhec outlaw survival, combat and ... FASHION! :D
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Posted - 2014.07.09 11:02:00 -
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Aaaand so I went back to page sixty. I read through page 60.
I gave up. The whining just pisses me off too much.
I'm supposed to be the little girl here, yet so many others do that far better... :/
Still getting really old though :p xD Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Teaching highhec outlaw survival, combat and ... FASHION! :D
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Posted - 2014.07.09 11:14:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Dally Lama wrote:
Even worse for Malak, considering this is a coalition mate. If I were Mittens I'd slap you silly for being such a git.
I don't feel loved unless someone from Goonwaffe is suggesting WIdot should be kicked at least once a day. Awwww... :(
Feel hugged, my goony friend! Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Teaching highhec outlaw survival, combat and ... FASHION! :D
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Posted - 2014.07.09 11:52:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Christina Project wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Dally Lama wrote:
Even worse for Malak, considering this is a coalition mate. If I were Mittens I'd slap you silly for being such a git.
I don't feel loved unless someone from Goonwaffe is suggesting WIdot should be kicked at least once a day. Awwww... :( Feel hugged, my goony friend! That makes everything better. I promise no wandering hands... Where would they wander to? ;) Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Teaching highhec outlaw survival, combat and ... FASHION! :D
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Posted - 2014.07.09 14:23:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Da Dom wrote:My point is hi-sec is riskier than "civilized" null sec and a risk - reward system should reflect that. Your not getting rid of me Highsec could be far safer than many areas of nullsec, but the players are too lazy to make it that way. Not lazy. Ignorant, stupid, self centered, egoistic, self entitled... yes.
Hell, I've seen my share in anti-ganking of these losers. I keep making sure they get removed because they hurt the cause. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Teaching highsec outlaw survival, combat and ... FASHION! :D sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:04:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:Carebears see the fact that we still operate as proof of some glaring imbalance. Since we operate at a loss, they've graduated to complaining that we simply spend less money than we kershplode. NOT PROFIT, just spend less.
That coupled with their incessant complaint, even in the wake of a massive freighter buff and it's sister barge buff, should be the final proof to CCP that they'll never let up until they've trammeled us all. Code doesn't make money on their purging of bots from high sec? How about on the sale of permits? Oh boy, if they sell ten permits a day, they make 100 Million ISK.
From ten people.
For a year!
Wow ! :O
Sounds like it's promising exponential growth in the near future! Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:10:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Tippia wrote:... The fact that an organisation such as CODE only really succeeds at any level against paper-thin and unfitted ships also perfectly illustrates the imbalance. So yes. It is far too difficult GÇö neither the level of organisation nor the very narrow target selection should be necessary. This neatly shows why highsec is WAY safe. Not TOO safe, but definitely WAY. If you read it correctly ... ... then you can see what Tippia is actually saying.
KILL ALL THE THINGS !!!!!!!!!!!! Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.10 06:20:00 -
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Errr No.
CODE actually altered the reality of highsec significantly... and it's not done! You're just oblivious about what you're even talking about.
And HighSec is where most people live, so do tell me how that has no effect on the game, with lots of people constantly being reminded of it's existence!
Plus it created the antiganking movements, getting carebears together to actually do something!
Every day! Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.10 08:10:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Its not like Code have any significant meta effect in game. They exploit some money and cause some grief for new players and are probably a severe annoyance for the dozen or so mining corps who operate out of that handful of systems between Hek and Dodixie where Code are really active but otherwise life in EVE goes on. It's not like you are going to regularly bump into them even in Ammatar space neverlone in losec or Stain or Providence.
CODE are sorta like the infamous bandits lurking in the Khyber Pass last century, more of a tourist attraction than a danger.
There is a noise in New Eden. That noise is growing louder, and louder each day that passes. The louder this noise gets, the more it gets heard.......... I'm sorry, that's me. I just can't contain myself and all the neighbors suddenly started to join in too. Guess they enjoy hearing me screaming half the day.
I apologize for any inconvinience this might cause, but nature demands it from me. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.10 14:17:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:baltec1 wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:Would be interesting to see what percentage of freighters get ganked, although it's area specific no doubt. An average of about 6 a day out of tens of thousands of trips. If that's about right, then I don't see what all the fuss is about. The fuss is the same that hypocrits make all over the world. There is something they don't like and everybody has to suffer for it.
It's the consequence of the empathyless, emotionless and shallow world people are being confronted with, which not only creates these monsters ... ... ever heard of the stereotype hypocrit US American *****?! It's true! ... ... but also gives them power.
And of course these people scream up, when there's something they don't like, completely ignoring that they are gigantic assholes that should be purged. The fact that it's their own fault if they hate something is oblivious to them.
If we could get rid of these people, we certainly had much less of these sick freaks around. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.10 15:14:00 -
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Lady Areola wrote:You're basically right. 10mil is a pittance. It ultimately has more to do with the psychological effect than anything else. It's about the miner acknowledging that yes, they play in a multiplayer sandbox and yes, others can influence their play.
I mean, if it were actually about the ISK re: permits, we'd charge a lot more, for a much shorter period, and have a much more stringent vetting system for permits than "Write something in your bio."
The best ones are the miners who'll dime out their "buddy" miners and act as a warp in, in exchange for a permit. Once a gank team gets up and operating, it never fails that we get flooded by "anonymous" tips from other miners on who we should gank next. You do remember that the reason for the fee was that GMs said that miners need a way out and bumpers need a monetary reason so it's not classified as harassment?
That's why it's so low. They exist out of the need. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:49:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Henry Montclaire wrote:We like conflict right?
Make anyone with a -10 sec status automatically flagged a suspect and able to be engaged by anyone without CONCORD interference.
Also, someone on one of the first pages said something about using a smartbombing battleship to clear suicide gankers but I'm fairly certain (correct me if I'm wrong) that smartbombs cannot be used in high sec. I hope your trolling otherwise you are in the right alliance. -5 and below can be freely engaged without concord intervention. The problem people seem to have is the effort that comes with it. They want that quick win button since anything worth fighting for should have a I win button right? That guy must be a troll... or, well, typical highsec citizen.
You are half right. It's not only effort. It's alao too much ego. Too many people really hate gankers. For them it's about the ego and nothing more. They don't care for a cause at all, they only care about their selfish bullshit, pretending to achieving something by whoring on lossmails or killing pods without actually helping anyone.
Then there are all those idiots who are clueless beyond measurement but believe they can talk down on me because I am -10, just spreading more hate and showing again that people care only about themselves than about the cause.
Then there's this complete lack of organization ... ... but the worst part are the sick carebears.
Like this Leo who calls gankers sociopaths in his bio. A coward who stays silent until there's an opportunity to rabble hatred.
People are doing anything to ruin this. 200+ people in the channel, only a handfull ever speak, unless the trolls and assholes come out.
The anti-ganking channel is as much crap as all the others. Only gank-intel has any sense and actually a reason to exist.
It's not lazyness... these people simply don't cut it. No matter what angle I looked at it.
They're like accountants trying to be lion tambers. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:50:00 -
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Thanks Jonah, but speaking with worthless, hating "people" really isn't worth the time. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.11 16:19:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:GM Lelouch wrote: One final clarification: Alt recycling is defined as the act of using a disposable character/account to perform actions which carry negative consequences within the game and then recycling (biomassing) the character to bypass said consequences and starting all over again with a new character.
1. Using an alt account to suicide gank and then farming up security status once it drops too low? This is totally okay with us. 2. Using an alt account to suicide gank and then deleting the character and replacing it with a new one once security status drops too low? This is not okay.
I am a little confused. Of what benefit is deleting the character with the low status (but with PvP skills) when you have to make a completely new character to replace him? Wouldn't the loss of a skilled character be a hindrance? I have done something like that with my mining characters. I gave a brand new character the isk and other assets owned by an established character (this is the established one), then retired the established character to the forum. I have given new characters the assets of more established characters before biomassing the older characters, tho. I have even stated multiple times in the forum I had done this and no one raised any alarms about 'recycling'. Wouldn't the loss of skills be considered a problem for PvP? My confusion is basically because I avoid PvP, I admit. Recycling is ok, but recycling to circumvent the game mechanics (i.e. get rid of negative sec standing) is not. At least that's how I understand it. I killed so many siblings already, I would be permabanned. Recycling is okay, but recycling chars with negative sec, who obviously were only of limited purpose... is a bannable offense.
I'm sure otoh that if I recycled Sol and made her a new, nobody would bat an eye because I'd go -10 again anyway and I only use disposable chars for vanity.
So, reality is that common sense trumps everything. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:26:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Kal Murmur wrote:
Couple of things..
a) Freighters are the only ship that can move some items. b) Some people need to move huge quantities of goods, anything smaller than a freighter is utterly inefficient for this. c) Jump freighters are vital for many low/null resupplies, they're not something you can just decide to not use.
I've thought for a very long time that there needed to be a hauling ship between industrials and freighter (no not the Orca), but the simple truth is that for some tasks you don't have any choice but to use the freighter.
Couple of things a) Jita is not the only trade hub. b) You haul all your eggs in one basket, then get Blapped. You just lost your efficiency c) Yes JF are vital for survival in null. You Jump to Hi Sec. Transfer goods to Freighter. JF does not get Blapped With the new Industry, I wonder if people will start to realize that they can sell their stuff anywhere they want, with higher profits than by moving them to central points with high competition.
I assume that the closer one gets to populated systems, the higher prosuction costs will be, so more people will build away from populated systems, meaning more and more systems will be used to build things ...
... and hopefully more people will be smart enough to sell locally. It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her. Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:46:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Christina Project wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Kal Murmur wrote:
Couple of things..
a) Freighters are the only ship that can move some items. b) Some people need to move huge quantities of goods, anything smaller than a freighter is utterly inefficient for this. c) Jump freighters are vital for many low/null resupplies, they're not something you can just decide to not use.
I've thought for a very long time that there needed to be a hauling ship between industrials and freighter (no not the Orca), but the simple truth is that for some tasks you don't have any choice but to use the freighter.
Couple of things a) Jita is not the only trade hub. b) You haul all your eggs in one basket, then get Blapped. You just lost your efficiency c) Yes JF are vital for survival in null. You Jump to Hi Sec. Transfer goods to Freighter. JF does not get Blapped With the new Industry, I wonder if people will start to realize that they can sell their stuff anywhere they want, with higher profits than by moving them to central points with high competition. I assume that the closer one gets to populated systems, the higher prosuction costs will be, so more people will build away from populated systems, meaning more and more systems will be used to build things ... ... and hopefully more people will be smart enough to sell locally. selling locally is a shallow market with low turnover, its tme consuming and risky its generally only something a starter industrialist does That's how it currently is, but I don't see why it needs to stay that way.
Often enough I was pissed when the items I needed weren't available within at least a few jumps. When people start to build more stuff spread out between systems, things might hopefully change.
It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her. Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:11:00 -
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Omg almost 100 pages! :O It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her. Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:50:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
It made ganking cost more, which was a nerf. I'm not saying it wasn't a needed nerf. Getting the cost of your suicide ship back was a stupid mechanic & needed to go, but it was still one of many ganking nerfs over the years, while miners have seen only buffs to their gameplay & still want more nerfs on gankers.
Yep, that's the problem I have with them too. It's never enough, and their agenda is clear. They will never stop until PvP is not permitted. Their attitude is so poisonous that they honestly think non consensual PvP is, or should be, a bannable offense. This is IMO the crux of the problem. Non-consensual PvP. Too many play this game with the attitude of "HOW F**KING DARE YOU impose your gameplay upon me". Without a single thought on what EVE or MMO means. Hey there, sweetheart ...
... can I impose my "gameplay" onto you? ;) - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
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Posted - 2014.07.16 08:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Christina Project wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
It made ganking cost more, which was a nerf. I'm not saying it wasn't a needed nerf. Getting the cost of your suicide ship back was a stupid mechanic & needed to go, but it was still one of many ganking nerfs over the years, while miners have seen only buffs to their gameplay & still want more nerfs on gankers.
Yep, that's the problem I have with them too. It's never enough, and their agenda is clear. They will never stop until PvP is not permitted. Their attitude is so poisonous that they honestly think non consensual PvP is, or should be, a bannable offense. This is IMO the crux of the problem. Non-consensual PvP. Too many play this game with the attitude of "HOW F**KING DARE YOU impose your gameplay upon me". Without a single thought on what EVE or MMO means. Hey there, sweetheart ... ... can I impose my "gameplay" onto you? ;) Don't do it, it's a trap for sure. Are you talking to me... or him? *snickers xD* - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:53:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:You are not so helpless if you think about it enough. They don't think, which becomes pretty obvious after you look at it for a while.
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Posted - 2014.07.28 13:23:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Noragli wrote:Because I posted this thread and my opinion on the state of ganking does not mean I am not allowed to gank an Orca. You're allowed to do anything you want within the operating rules of the sandbox. However, it does seem hypocritical for you to want to gank another player's ship while simultaneously (1) creating a complaint thread about being ganked yourself (or your friends, or whoever), and (2) seeking out advice from the very people you have created this thread as a complaint against. Oh I see you caught up on it too.
Agenda threads everywhere to pretend relevance, intel gathering, public manipulation, creating of opinions and to ruin it for everyone in the long run. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:59:00 -
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We should end this thread.
It's just agenda with negative outlook for the game. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:15:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Christina Project wrote:We should end this thread.
It's just agenda with negative outlook for the game. Yes there is an agenda, to make ganking harder. You only just got that? The pointless ganking of empty ships in what is supposed to be a reasonably safe area of space by large groups of organised players is not good for the game. Bullshit.
Much more meta behind it.
You know it. I know it.
Just the sheep don't realize.
You're just a plant. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:24:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Christina Project wrote:You know it. I know it. You're both nuts. Sheep. *shrug* http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:25:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:seriously if 'carebears whining in gd about ganking' was evidence of conspiracy then so 'the sun rises in the morning' would be evidence of conspiracy Dude, if you reduce reality to this, then you really should avoid the topic completely. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:39:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Christina Project wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:seriously if 'carebears whining in gd about ganking' was evidence of conspiracy then so 'the sun rises in the morning' would be evidence of conspiracy Dude, if you reduce reality to this, then you really should avoid the topic completely. you're not making sense. That's because of Dunning-Krueger, Benny! http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:40:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Noragli wrote:It's not hypocritical. A one off gank of an Orca is vastly difference than a large group of organised players who play the game solely for the purpose of ganking as many ships as they can, even when there is no profit to be had. Empty freighters, even when tanked, are sometimes killed just because they can (proof that ganking is too easy or that the punishment is not severe enough) It's not specifically ganking by itself that is the problem, it's that people are now taking it too far and efforts should be made to curb that behaviour. You (Noragli) and her friends gank an Orca. End result: An Orca is destroyed. A group of organized gankers gank an Orca. End result: An Orca is destroyed. Are you saying that CCP should implement game mechanics that cripple organized player collaboration? Are you saying that when someone commits a gank in which they end up being ISK negative (ie: empty freighter), then there should be some game mechanics to penalize this kind of game play? When you say "taking it too far".. would the Orca pilot agree? When you gank that pilot are you somehow destroying LESS than an Orca? When an organized group of players ganks that Orca, are they destroying MORE than an Orca? What is the fundamental difference? I honestly do not understand and maybe you can clarify your thoughts. Damn you're so sexy when you sound like you're raging a bit! :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:51:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Some of the more recent EVE trailers of CCP tell us how the influence of the Capsuleers is growing and the "empires are loosing their grasp on power". I think what they meant was their crappy Tractor Units and other deployable stuff (you really think the CONCORD dude was scared because of that?), like always it's up to the players to really implement the vision behind their funny little attempt at actually implementing some gameplay.
Now how ironic would it be if CCP tries to nerf the movement that tries to realize their vision for Highsec (where capsuleers gain more influence) even more (like they always do).
But we will always win, because this is not carebear vs. ganker or industrialist vs. pirat. This is "soloplayer with a desire for complete isolation" vs. "group of MMO players with an interest in how the game works". The sooner you realize that the sooner you will understand how futile your attempts to push CCP for nerfs are. Lol propaganda. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:01:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:112 Pages of tears!!!
Freighters keep dying you keep crying!
Nobody ... ... except morons ... ... and plants ... ... whines about the freigther losses.
Most people already realized that you lot are creating a huge, ongoing marketing event out of something completely irrelevant in the big picture, as the numbers show.
Dear People ...
How about you all stopped making it worse for yourselves?
http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Christina Project wrote: Most people already realized that you lot are creating a huge, ongoing marketing event out of something completely irrelevant in the big picture, as the numbers show.
Wow, now we are even part of a conspiracy The truth is, that there is only hot air ... ... and you are planting posts like this ... ... because it makes people believe there is more to it than there actually is. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.07.28 22:37:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Christina Project wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Christina Project wrote: Most people already realized that you lot are creating a huge, ongoing marketing event out of something completely irrelevant in the big picture, as the numbers show.
Wow, now we are even part of a conspiracy The truth is, that there is only hot air ... ... and you are planting posts like this ... ... because it makes people believe there is more to it than there actually is. I plant posts where I am astonished that some people think this is a conspiracy to create the impression that there is a conspiracy behind this? Go a level deeper... You want the truth? I kill Freighters because they look good on my killboard. Problem? Blablabla.
You're just a lower class gankbear hiding behind the group. :D Proud about things you didn't even actually achieve! :D Wow so much proud warp to freighter, approach, F1!
It's so worthless, you need propaganda to make it look relevant! :D
Way to go, noob, so proud! XD http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:24:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Azov Rassau wrote:those who know what they are doing aren't willing to teach the rest, probably due to the anti-social nature these communities tend to have.
No, the bads don't want to listen -- they have their views of the game (hisec = safe, blah blah blah) and don't want to change their views so that they coincide with what EVE really is. Spot on!
I kept trying, but it's no use when there are mostly weak minded around who rather ruin it for everybody else. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:13:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Luna Lockhearts wrote:.... and to me it seems like ganking is seriously on the rise. It's not that ganking is on the rise, it's just better publicised than it used to be. Propaganda.
CODE is miniscule and irrelevant, therefore the need to make noise.
If people stopped listening to the screaming of little kids ... ... the kids would stop screaming.
Instead, the sheep eat literally every **** thrown at them. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com --áAnd now that I found a home, it's like I'm in heaven ....... |
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Posted - 2014.07.31 01:11:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Christina Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Luna Lockhearts wrote:.... and to me it seems like ganking is seriously on the rise. It's not that ganking is on the rise, it's just better publicised than it used to be. CODE is miniscule and irrelevant, therefore the need to make noise. We don't make this threads ourselfs. Most of the noise comes from fanboys like you anyway. Actually,"you" do, but hey I bet you don't use scouting alts either, right? (:
Seriously how daft do you think people actually are?
Wait ... I know the answer ......................... http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - How to stop Freighters from getting bumped. Screaming Head in a Box is recruiting forum warriors! --áhttp://i.imgur.com/oEkByYX.jpg
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Posted - 2014.08.03 14:33:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Handsoff solo wrote:Mag's wrote:Patrakele wrote:There is no punishment - why not do it?
Are you saying there is no punishment for suicide ganking? Yes there is no punishment for criminals like Christina Project said Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again. Ore switch accounts ore tons Why don't you do something about them then? It's not actually like there's much people can do.
Don't be a hypocrit.
You know better than that. 99% of all the "gankers" are just lower class gankbears and cowards, only out in space for less than a minute, spreading lies about how hard it is to deal with the faction police.
You know it. I know it.
Whenever people say "do something about it" they completely ignore that there isn't actually much that can be done against cowards who just hide all day, undock safely, warp to the victim and then vanish again.
It's extremely disconnected to ingame reality when people say "do something about it", because they can't actually do anything about it.
That's the biggest part of the whole issue. If gankbears weren't cowards and more visible, then people would do more against them. As they aren't, because they can't, there's this huge inbalance that will eventually cripple the game.
So ... don't be a hypocrit ... or tell me how you expect people to do something, but please stick to actual in game possibilities.
"Use ECM" ... "gank the gankers" ... is all nice and blabla ... ... but not realistic ... as one can't possible know before hand where they are heading to.
Remember ... they undock, strike, dock up again ... in a timewindow of less than a minute.
Completely unnecessary ... and cowardish ... and creates a huge inbalance.
And as you know ... I can tell ... so you can't just brush off my post like all those others by the idiots who got no clue about the mechanics anyway.
I know it's worthless to say it ... but I will keep saying it ... ... because I don't accept that weak minds keep spreading lies and bullshit to ruin my gameplay. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - How to stop a Freighter from getting bumped ][ Screaming Head in a Box --áhttp://i.imgur.com/oEkByYX.jpg
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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
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Posted - 2014.08.03 14:37:00 -
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To keep my post above unedited I'll add this ...
The issue isn't lack of punishment.
The issue is that people are cowards and avoid any form of danger.
They're just like the hating carebears. The only difference is that these weak minds are in numbers, while standard carebears usually are alone.
Nullbears. Gankbears. Carebears.
All the same, in the end. An illness that needs to be purged from the game.
That's all there is to say about it. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - How to stop a Freighter from getting bumped ][ Screaming Head in a Box --áhttp://i.imgur.com/oEkByYX.jpg
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Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:02:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:So you say the real issue is that we are so damn good at it that you are completely helpless with the current tools available to you is that what you are saying? Nope.
Your whole post stinks of manipulation.
You are not good at it.
You lack skills.
You need alts.
Most of you can only really gank in the group, which reduces you to button-pushers, just like the carebears in nullsec.
There's a really high chance that a good part of you is exactly that, too! :D
Without the group, you'd be NOTHING! :D
And without the group behind you on the forums, you probably wouldn't even dare to speak up! :D
Keep going! :D
With every word you say, you're helping me in the long run! :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com Screaming Head in a Box --áhttp://i.imgur.com/oEkByYX.jpg Call your mother!
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Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:05:00 -
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"carebears in nullsec" ... aka nullbears ... aka fleetbears ...
... who one can see in every bigger entity.
No skill and always needing an FC.
Button-Pushers! :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com Screaming Head in a Box --áhttp://i.imgur.com/oEkByYX.jpg Call your mother!
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Christina Project
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:06:00 -
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Samantha Floyd wrote:Yesterday I hauled ~36 billion ISK across New Eden. 3 trips of ~12 billion ISK.
I encountered a bump Machariel on 4 separate occasions during the trips. Each time they attempted to bump my freighter. Each time I escaped.
Suicide ganking is not the problem. It is in fact the opposite. Web warping freighters is a problem. It makes it so the gankers have a near 0% chance of catching the freighter. And you are so horribly ugly that there is no way someone can miss that you're a troll! :D
Great face though, seriously! :D I love the colors! :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com Screaming Head in a Box --áhttp://i.imgur.com/oEkByYX.jpg Call your mother!
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